Sunku: beyond rhyme and rhythm, search for new structures in short form

Do not post your poems on this thread, post as you normally would post a poem except near the bottom is a 'workshop' box, click on the the dropdown and choose 'Sunku: beyond rhyme and rhythm, search for new structures in short form'.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT OTHERWISE EACH PERSON'S CONTRIBUTION DOES NOT RECEIVE ADEQUATE ATTENTION AND THIS THREAD BECOMES LONG AND CONFUSING.
Please tell me if you have a problem with this.

Good examples IRiz but i

Good examples IRiz but i would like to bring to your attention some non conformance in some lines with respect to prescribed syllable count. Of course correct me if I am wring:-

Poem 1
clouds (to me its 1 syllable whereas should be 2 being Line 1)
replaced (is 2 syllables whereas should be 3 being line 2)
why my troubles come (if troubles is 2 syllables then this becomes a 5 syllable line instead of 4)

Poem 2
raise their hopes (is 3 syllables instead of 4 being line3)

Poem3
stopped seeing people (is 5 syllable instead of 4 being line 3)

of course the apparent non conformance in the linescan be fixed using alternates

i will try my hand at posting a Sunku

regards..

not sure if i agree with your

not sure if i agree with your count
but you right i am not perfect in my examples
good luck my friend spread your wings

I have already said "correct

I have already said "correct me if I am wrong" especially because phonetics is a tricky thing.

I have already spread my wings by posting a couple of tries at this form as an "early bird" is expected to do ...hahaha...

thanks to you and Wierdelf, good to see this work shop get going

remember . raj, that when dealing with Japanese forms

syllables are the closest we can get to their concept of 'on'.
We don't have to be strict about syllable count, we are exploring how to say the most, using all the poetic toolbox, with the least possible words.
My personal view of this workshop is how to say what is inbetween the lines.

My Try

Sunku
a new form
is challenging

Haiku
prepared me
as a grounding

Poems
like models
getting slimmer?

Please share your opinion and guide me

Regards...

i like this poem less then

i like this poem less then the second one,
it only appeals to my mind but poems should go deeper

Thanks for your honest feed

Thanks for your honest feed back on this one. It was in fact so to say a beginner's attempt to say the least. However your valid point about a Sunku having depth is well taken. By that should i presume that you would like such poems to evoke thinking by the reader and make their own perception?

Yes

VERY IMPORTANT!

I don't think...

they are listening Jess! IMPORTANT! DON"T POST YOUR WORK HERE!

You will find evidence that I

You will find evidence that I was posting my work in main stream and not here after receiving guideline from Jess

Shadow

Shadow
may follow
or precede me

Is it
friend or foe
i do not know

May be
it's someone
to trust utmost

inviting comments from workshop organizers to know a) if I am on the right track or b) areas for improvement/needful corrections

i like the unanswered feel of

i like the unanswered feel of the poem

Thanks IRiz for your quick

Thanks IRiz for your quick response. By "unanswered feel" do you mean "May be" are thekey words which give it that feel?

Few queries

is a title expected for such poems in Sunku Format?

Is it to be treated as structured Eastern? If so why, especially when those who have conceived this form are not eastern?

How to get this form accepted / accredited across the poetic forum/s?

I hope I am not asking too many questions?

it is not eastern, it is a

it is not eastern, it is a form of free style
we do not have precise definition of a free style yet
so it qualifies.
We do not know yet about names, i feel if your poem needs a name you should give it, go with your feeling.
Thank you for you valid questions, critiques and poetry.

Noted that it is to be

Noted that it is to be categorized as a form of free form. Let's see what this workshop leads to crystallizing such definitions further when more join the work shop / pond. At the moment I seem to be the only tadpole in the FrogPond :)

Cheers!

Registration?

Please go through other workshops listed here. I think you need to list / register names of Participants who would like to join this workshop.

you are in

Hi Riz

Count me in if you will.

Thank you, looking forward to

Thank you, looking forward to reading your poems.

Scattered

Scattered
are the thoughts
like spilled pop corn

Lookalikes
hard to pick
one over other

My muse
feasts on them
to feed the voids

Interesting images.

Interesting images.
Comparison of words to popcorn is great.
But the second stanza is repeating the same vibe.
It feels like your poem is over right there.
It is a subjective feeling, please do not take it as a critique.

Thanks for the read IRiz.

Thanks for the read IRiz. Having joined the workshop and even otherwise I have an open mind to to the comments even if negative. From your comment about second stanza do you suggest that it should be more like a connecting link between stanzas 1 and 3 rather than a continuation of stanza 1? Based on your revert I will do further home work and submit revised version for your further evaluation.

Do you think there is too much of abstract?

Thanks again and regards...

Do not do anything yet .

Do not do anything yet . Sleep on it.

I have taken the liberty to

I have taken the liberty to invite "Barbara Writes" to join this work shop. With her experience in shorter form of poetry I believe she would be able to add value to this work shop even as a Moderator. I have sent her the invite via PM

It is a good idea to invite

It is a good idea to invite people, I agree.

We need a buzz here to feel

We need a buzz here to feel like a workshop fior more ideas to be on the anvil to achieve its objective is my opinion...raj

it's happening, raj

even with this being the most interesting workshop in a while we are promoting it on all social media.

Good to know this ...

Regards...

Hi everybody

I was referred here. Great work shop sign me up.

My try

It’s hard
In my life
Can’t stand the pain.

2 3 4 stanza. Did I get it. I read the syllabus but I miss important details most times due to my eyes and illness. Look to be a fun workshop. SunKu another jewel for my poetry portfolio. I seen it in my haiku Senyru tanka and Renga research for my collaboration poetry workshop.

Hi Barbara, welcome to the

Hi Barbara, welcome to the discussion.
Yes you have got it right. It is three of the stanzas that makes the finished poem.
The first short line is an attention grabber.
The connection between the stanzas doesn't have to be direct. Here is one of my examples

alone
it's easy
to shift the blame

afraid
to lose friends
stopped seeing people

afraid
to grow old
I stopped living

Thank

I got it

Screaming
Lost my voice
I cannot talk

Hi Barbara

As you are surely aware, you need to post your poems not here but independently after selecting appropriate workshop from the drop down menu.

Moreover, for Sunku, it is necessary to have three stanzas, each of 3 lines preferablyfollowing 2-3-4 syllabi for each stanza.

Regards,

VERY IMPORTANT!

My sincere apologies to Iriz

I have been doing this for ten years and forgot to explain the importance of posting poems linked to the workshop instead of posting them in the workshop.

Seen some great work so far and think this might be the best workshop in a while.
Write to write inbetween what you write.

.

2---3--4

beyond
equilibrium
concentration

poor at
counting
syllables

will pick
up soonly
course surely

Lovedly, let me add you to

Lovedly, let me add you to the participants' list.
That way you could resubmit your poem to our main workshop collection of sunku.
Thank you for joining and welcome to the Sunku world.

Questions

In this shop are we posting only series ? also does this form allow titles?

Hello thank you for asking.

Hello thank you for asking. Three stanza compose a complete sunku. But they could have somewhat independent meaning. Title or not is up to you

As I understand

To summarize

1. Participants to post their Sunku not in this workshop stream but independently as they would nrmally do to submit their poems
2. Participants to select the workshop from the drop down menu in "Workshop" which is below "contest" before submission
3. The poems may or may not have a title. I suggest one should mention [Sunku Workshop] in the title field
4. Three stanza compose a complete sunku.
5. To quote Weirdelf "My personal view of this workshop is how to say what is in between the lines"

I have already uploaded my poem based on the above.

Yes, how to make a space

Yes, how to make a space between lines talk.

Spot on,

ta Raj

Okey dokey

I'll see if I can come up with something this evening

ok, one minor hiccup, entirely my fault.

All poems linked to this workshop can be viewed through the link at top right of this page under the title--
Most recent poems
>> View all poems submitted to this workshop
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336

sorry Jess I couldnt find the

sorry Jess I couldnt find the link you mentioned..would be nice to see all poems submitted to this work shop in one place....I wasn't aware of this...

regards...

Links to workshop poems

https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336
>> View all poems submitted to this workshop (look to the top right of this page)
or on the Neopoet homepage
Plunge Pool: Sunku: beyond rhyme and rhythm, search for new structures in short form
(submissions)
(click on submissions)

There are 3 tested ways to find all works submitted to this workshop.

Found it Jess....thanks...

regards...

between lines

I guess this could be called unstated or implied messaging. "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood". Yellow wood say a whole lot more than just those two words. It says the season is autumn and also says the woods are likely poplar, aspen and sweet gum with no evergreens.It also implies that it's harvest time and the holiday season.
Why did I bring this up? I think in any compressed form of poetry trying to condense as many images/emotions/ ect. is very important because there are so few words to work with........just my two cents

Yes I see what you mean

Ayup, Stan

that be wot be ment
[chuckles] I can't resist taking the piss out of you as a pastoralist writer.

ME????

a pastoral writer? i don't even own a pasture lol

Dear All

It is heartwarming to realize that by being part of this on going Workshop we are contributing in some way to aid IRiz in fine tuning the parameters of the innovative form of "Sunku" which is her brainchild, which over a period of time would potentially become a milestone in the annals of Poetry. Let's continue to contribute our thoughts and poems as best as we can... to be part of this endeavor.

Regards...

i want in

I'm still confused as how to get in on the fun here....how do I sign up?

Irene

I am short of time here but will return to home next week, but just add me when you have time.
Here's a passing thought:-

I cry
Not for you
Just the memory

Droplets
Flowing free
I turn mirrors

Hidden
Inside of me
A truth of love

Have a lovely week, Yours Ian. x

I love

so good! not for you...just the memory. yes, I know what that means.

Dear captain. I am so glad to

Dear captain. I am so glad to hear from you.
Thank you for your reply.

Deep beautiful write

Deep beautiful write
When I add you, could you please repost the poem as a part of the workshop

Captain and Sparrow,

Captain and Sparrow,
I have added you to the participants.
Now, when you submit a poem you will have an option to select Sunku in the drop down menu called Workshop.
You can post more than once in 24h if it is a workshop. So participation here will not prevent you from publishing your regular poems.

Still unsure

Is rhyme forbidden in this form?

No no no

No no no
Alliteration, rhyme anything your heart desires, please use. The only thing to remember is that the content, the mystery, the call to readers' imagination comes first.

I recall

Doing a shop on a new form called "morphing" and one of the best things about it was making the person who invented it really think about how the form was defined and what was allowed and not allowed. So the more questions you get the better I think......As an example you say that syllable count doesn't Have to always strictly adhere to guidelines. But what is the maximum number of syllables allowed for each line?

The final goal is to create a

The final goal is to create a poem in
an esthetically pleasing short form.
If you feel the images and thoughts are overwhelming and too dense you add more words.
If you feel you are done but the line is one syllabus short just keep it short. The shorter the better, the more intense your poem looks.
Compare two lines
1. Stop it.

2. Will you please consider stopping for me.

Which one will lead to the response faster?

We have to find a size of the line which fits your needs the best. If in contamplating mood I would go for the longer lines.

But

When developing a new type poetry which has a strong basis on form there Must be limitations . You are eventually going to have to bite the bullet and set these limitations. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sonnets have limitation, Haiku have limitations. It's not a Bad thing.......stan

I agree

Ultimately the challenge

Ultimately the challenge would be to define what would constitute conformance to be a Sunku. Which body / forum would finally accept / accredit and declare "Sunku" as an official form of poetry? Is there such an authority? Just curious...

Regards..

Deleted

Oh yes Raj, I specifically asked Iriz not to mention it

before the workshop started but this is all part of a process to get the form accredited at The journal Frogpond, an official serial publication of the Haiku Society of America.
http://www.hsa-haiku.org/frogpond/aboutfrogpond.html

I wonder what the relevance

I wonder what the relevance is between Sunku and Haiku when both have nothing in common.

Nothing in common

I like that SunKu is short, three lines and structured similar to haiku
The beauty is in its uncommon features. It’s like free style to me. I will change it up
One I get the structure mastered.
SunKu is a form I can add to my Collaboration workshop
Easily.

The main structure of SunKu is 2-3-4 not always necessary if it feels restricted
The first line is a sets the tone of theme.
After that have at it.
This is how I understand it. I tend to get things twisted so straighten me out with what I’m missing

The common part is the way

The common part is the way you treat content.
Without explaining you thought fully you hope that the readers will engage their own mind to recognize and complete your vibe.

They both

Have the same type limitation in being very brief. In this form the limit in number of stanzas sets it apart from free verse as does the yet to be set limitation in line length. Is this correct Riz?

I done an edit

on my first attempt.

I want to write a poem that

I want to write a poem that would leave a sound in the air after it ends, that is dense enough to explode if touched and has enough energy to ignite minds long after I die.
What form I chose depends on the content.
Sunku is well defined style that disciplines mind of a writer and helps to be short, to throw away unnecessary words and only keep those that are close to the author's heart.
It is a free form, meaning there is no constraints, if you want to deviate from it go be free. But ! You have to have a good reason.
If you want it to sound more hesitant make longer lines. If your thought is too complex to deliver in three stanzas make it longer. But make sure that there is something burning unsaid left that constitute a good enough reason to wonder the unstructured territory.

Ufff! This is an important message, please read!
It is a statement of my dream, it doesn't mean I have reached it.

If any person

is free to lengthen either lines or number of stanzas then this is little different than free verse. I'm playing devil's advocate but if you are trying to create a truly different form you are going to have to have more restrictions in my opinion.

The rule is solid the

The rule is solid the deviations are allowed but whatever comes out will not be Sunku. It will be an approximation.

Now

How are we to handle deviations here in the workshop? Should those who comment on a deviation suggest exact changes or just point out the deviations and let the author worry about editing to fit the rules? Or just let the poem stand but as a non-Sunku? I don't mean to be a pain in the but . However this shop will be referred back to over time if this new form is accepted as such and I think it better to have questions answered here and now rather than later.
" If one wishes to learn something the best thing to do is teach it" paraphrase of another's quote

The common goal is to help

The common goal is to help each other to write and to write better.
Pointing out slight deviations that author probably sees already is a waste of time.
Pointing out a skillful use of poetic tool box, suggesting ideas or writing poetic replies should be a main priority the way I see it.

ditto

I agree. Just have to be careful when developing a new form

I agree.

I agree.
Thank you for your stimulating questions, they help to put the whole idea together

hello all

Is this any close to what is supposed to be submitted? If yes... please let me in

let the meds.
heal
your pain

rain
to wipe out
the dust

I'll only
trust
the world
of words.

Just trying to come back to a world that I've always loved.

Welcome Rula to this WS

I knew you possess the jewels to to string up a Sunku. Just go through the generalized parameters of a Sunku which are:-

Three stanzas
Syllable sequence of 2-3-4 per stanza
Letting the reader think and read between lines

I am sure you can re calibrate your poem for sure

So happy to have you participating in this WS with your heart and soul as always

hugs...

Welcome Rula to this WS

I knew you possess the jewels to to string up a Sunku. Just go through the generalized parameters of a Sunku which are:-

Three stanzas
Syllable sequence of 2-3-4 per stanza
Letting the reader think and read between lines

I am sure you can re calibrate your poem for sure

So happy to have you participating in this WS with your heart and soul as always

hugs...

Welcome, my friend.

Welcome, my friend.
I am always happy to accept new people, ideas, poems. Do post in the main stream of the workshop! I need five minutes to add your name in the list.

Thanks IRiz

i'll think of another example

May be it's time for a mid

May be it's time for a mid term review by the Workshop Leaders and participants on the following:-

a) Can poetic themes/thoughts expressed in this innovative short form of poetry "Sunku"- my personal opinion is Yes
b) After reviewing a pretty good number of poem submission adhering to the Form, are the WS Leaders satisfied with the objective or do they feel there is more room for improvement (if so in which areas?)
c) Are modifications to the original form features envisaged or not necessary
d) Are there any time lines before taking all steps to get this form approved / accredited from whatever body is empowered to do it?
e) In short how near or far are we with respect to the accomplished goal/s of this WS

I believe our friend IRiz is familiar with the process and documentary requirements to submit an application to the concerned Accreditation Body to accredit Sunku. I am sure she would welcome any help / assistance . inputs from learned participants like Ian in this endeavor.

I hope I am not over bearing in calling for the mid term review. Intention is purely for success of the endeavor.

no, not yet, need more time,

no, not yet, need more time, more poems, more thinking

Okie Dokie

Okie Dokies

Okie Dokie

Okie Dokies

Okie Dokie

Okie Dokie.

May be I am too enthusiastic for you to get Sunku Accredited.

this, IRiz,

Is why I wanted you to make it your own workshop, instead of being about accreditation.
I'm sorry for letting the cat out of the bag but Raj and Stan seemed to need a reason for being, beyond the beauty of the form itself.

In fact I love this form,

In fact I love this form, hence the enthusiasm and questions I have been asking. Apologies IRiz if i have been overbearing.

Well.......

I like to think I can do more than one thing at a time lol. But this IS a workshop and this IS a new form so defining what the form is and isn't is something that must occur. We could hardly have a shop on a particular type sonnet without defining the parameters of that form could we? The fact that the questions being asked here also might help in getting this new form recognized is just a happy byproduct, not the main goal.
Now in that spirit what are your ideas on punctuation in this form?

I set the form standards and

I set the form standards and template based on syllabi count.
I described its aestetics.
I feel personally that capital letters and punctuation are better to be omitted. I tried both styles and sometimes feel that punctuation is helpful. Have you read my blog entry on aesthetics of Sunku? I need to develop it further and explain the poets that vomiting and cannibalism must stay outside the scope. It is tough task. Any help?

You seem to be referring to Geezers "Eating Well"

yet you encouraged humour from the very start with
"Sunku with a funny tail".

Could it be that Killer really got under your skin (peeled it off and sauteed it in a light white wine sauce)?

It is definitely there.

It is definitely there.
My humour is far less disgusting. I hope.

I live

https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/i-live-sunku

A query for IRiz

Since one of the objectives (if i have understood it right) is to express in short form, is it ok if the syllable count is less than 2-3-4 in lines 1-2-3 of a stanza? Will appreciate your revert

It is okay if you don't see

It is okay if you don't see it written otherwise

Thanks for the nod IRiz. you

Thanks for the nod IRiz. you may soon find me posting a baby Sunku :)

May i

May I join

Sure, welcome!!!

Thank you

Here it goes....

Welcome to the workshop!

Welcome to the Workshop

Welcome to the Workshop Carrie and Hommies...add your flavor for others to savor and learn new culinary skills and recipes with words....

Hello everyone,

Sorry I was unable to attend this workshop (school crunch time from now 'til May!!!), but I wanted to stop in and say I see all the work going into it and all the engagement from members and I think it's great. I don't know if there has ever been this many submissions to a workshop! Thanks so much for this fantastic idea, IRiz.

Keep up the great work everyone!
Kels

Dear Kelsey, I would be

Dear Kelsey, I would be delighted to add you in the list of participants should you find a minute to contribute to the process. It is never too later.
I am very much looking forward to seeing your work here.

My latest attempt.

https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/surviving-sunku

This is proving to be a very effective form for the task I often set myself- humour with serious intent.

Time to have your shout

Folks

Should a Sunku have a title? What are the pros and cons? Inviting shout also from the WS Leaders

[shouts, softly]

yes

Hello everyone.

Hello everyone.
I want to close the workshop.
I think you all have got an idea about sunku form.
I hope you enjoyed the interaction, I did.
Thank you to all participants and co-organizers.
Most of all thank you for a wonderful poetry created in the style and spirit of sunku

why? I promised to keep it running while you are away

and great works are still coming in. I will enlist Richard to help me.
Are you sure about this? Is there another reason for closing it?

My opinion

Announcement of closing of workshop could have been with some concluding remarks by Workshop Leader/s if this workshop was useful in getting enough take aways to achieve the end objective of getting this form "Sunku" formally accredited. If so it would give participants joy to know that besides learning they also in a small way contribute to the endeavor. Hopefully we will be informed when Sunku is formally accredited as a form of poetry

Best wishes....

agreed, Raj

IRiz has not closed it yet so I will keep it running until/unless she does.

All participants remember a vital part is giving critique to all other works submitted to the workshop.
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336

Jess

I think our responses to message of IRiz about closing workshop were pinned simultaneously. I have read it now.

Thanks..

Everyone!

Remember the most important aspect of Neopoet-
"critique don't comment".
https://www.neopoet.com/community-guidelines

If you have posted to this workshop be sure to give feedback to others.
Bottom line is pragmatic. When you give feedback people notice and will give more feedback to you.
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336

I was hoping

This would run a little longer as I have felt this to be a beneficial workshop and have enjoyed it

I'm going to keep it running, Carrie,

unless IRiz insists on closing it.
Stayed tuned, contribute your own attempts, thoughts and especially remember to critique others.
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336

I will refocus on writing an article

I am taking time off line to write an article about Sunku. If I have questions I will post them in my blog. Any suggestions and comments about the form are welcomed. Post them as comments to my blog entry on the Aestetics of Sunku.
I don't think you need a workshop anymore.
I think poets here can write into mainstream now.
But if you wish to continue, I am happy to know that.
I will be back on line in a couple of weeks.

Hi IRiz

Noted that you would be engaged in writing an article about Sunku over next two weeks. The cause is understandable and good. In the mean time it would have been good to know if at all running this WS was beneficial to you in terms of value addition for the said Article which you are set out to do.

It is pretty evident from the enthusiasm and posts by participants within the domain of Neopoet that this form has received good acceptance which indicates that it would do so in other domains also

Best wishes

IRiz

i suggest that feed backs by participants may be on a measurable scale of 1 to 10 [i-3 being poor 4-5 being Average 6-8 being for Good and 9-10 being excellent] may help you in getting an honest feed back contributing in some way to your research and article. Of course you will need to determine the Parameters on which you would want such a rating based feed back

In addition to such structured Feed back mentioned above, you may provide room in the Feed back to additionally share their ideas which are not covered in the parameters put to feedback

Consider this only of you find it useful

.......

We long ago gave up the idea of empirical measurements of poetry

It just doesn't work. Trust me on this, the best minds on Neopoet and other sites have worked on it for years but poetry is just too subjective. Drop it.

IRiz has done her job running a very successful and challenging workshop, you can help her now by contributing to her blog but please keep your comments there to the Sunku form, not about the workshop, ok?

This workshop continues for those willing to accept and explore the challenges of the Sunku form and to give critique to all those attempts.
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336

Noted..

Apologies for making a wrong suggestion..

....

I am going to keep the workshop running,

with a bit of help from my friends.

This has become bigger than IRiz and accreditation for Sunku, it has proved itself already to be a challenging and powerful new form.

Mostly importantly at this stage, along with new works, which should still be posted to the workshop, brave critique on everything posted to the workshop
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336
and comments and discussion on the Sunku form at IRiz's blog
https://www.neopoet.com/iriz/blog/mon-2018-02-19-1013

Thanks Jess

For keeping this WS going.

Regards..

Jess

A great Idea to keep this workshop running it has brought many poets out to try the new subject.
I shall contribute more as I can,
Take care young Bru, and know your work is appreciated by many..
Yours, Ian..

Sunku

Sent to stream!!

post to the workshop brother!

You know how to do this.
Delete this and post as a normal poem with Sunku workshop selected, please., please.

I'm going to do a bunch of live readings to see how Sunkus sound

Check 'em out.
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/view/22336

The form has been established!

3 stanzas, each of 2/3/4 syllables per line.

I'd love to try

Hello Wierdelf and IRiz
I'd love to try...
I'll pop it up in the stream.
Cheers

you're in

look forward to your posts AND FEEDBACK

The END!

My dear friends-poets,
Now it is time to close the workshop. Thank you for your kind support. I hope you enjoyed the interaction, I did. I thank all participants and co-organizers most of all for a wonderful poetry created in the style and spirit of sunku and for your questions and stimulating discussions.
The goal of Neopoet is not only to inspire to write better but also to help each other to survive the existential conundrum that is particularly hard on poetically inclined souls. I think this workshop met this goal and made our world a bit less cold and windy, however, it could be simply because spring is coming.
Some numbers: the total number of submissions during the workshop time increased almost twice from about 110 last month to 180 during the time of the workshop, out of those 180 poems in the main stream there were about 100 sunku indicating that sunku workshop did not take over Neopoet (as some people were concerned) but inspired to write more than usual.
With Ruj and Barbara Write followed by lonlyhrtsclub10, the most productive and supportive participants, there were total of fourteen people involved.
Because of your questions and due to our interaction the idea of the new form has developed from schematics to a living art.
The following examples talk by themselves:
The mysterious mood shifting poem, Origami by Raj uses bright images to show the sinking depth of uncertainty that could be overcome by hope.

still waters
were soaking
my paper boats

I jumped
out of their
sinking feelings

quickly
turning them
into balloons

A contemplation of a strong survival character, a poem by WeirdElf, is still bleeding and smells of burnt paper and yet lifts the reader above the bitterness of the loss.

bites heal
burnt books don't
that was the end

since then
art is all
my craft is me

alone
not lonely
I have you all

A poem about death by Sparrow finds consolation in memories.

I cry
not for you
just the memory

droplets
flowing free
I turn mirrors

hidden
inside of me
a truth of love

Barbara Writes speaks in a teen voice to show her struggle against peer pressure. The poem invokes a feeling of a lost child, what we feel when walk against the current.

fighting
to be me
ain’t that easy

people’s
opinions
got it twisted

shaming
lost it’s punch
went straight pass me

The poem of loneliness by lonlyhrtsclub13 takes us to a silent drama of alienation.

lonely
in a room
even when not

time
moving slow
empty walls

drift apart
daunted
unknown

Geezer wrote sunku that illustrates its continuity with haiku aesthetic tradition. Its rustic beauty and surprising collisions of images indeed look like three haiku combined by one common motif of purifying rain.

slender
green stalks wave
bright heads bobbing

showers
cleansing me
fence post hanger

sky-light
sparks of fire
the heavens call

The last but not the least is sunku submitted by Scribbler, the poem reminds us about a power of a word.

just words
lost to time
like leaves on the wind

just words
turned to dust
on aging paper

yet words
often live
for eternity

On that important note, I wish you all the best, my dearest poets and hope to be in touch an read more of your works. Sincerely, IRiz.

P.S. If any interpretations are too subjective and completely off, do let me know, I will try to fix it.

Thank you

For including me on this. This was by far one of the best workshop I have taken part in.

The pleasure was mine!

Irene

Thank you for your workshop.
It brought out a lot of great words by many poets that seemed to bathe in the fact of the form.
I believe that this was one of the better workshops of Neopoet for a while, something outside of the usual forms of poetry and fun to take part.
I look forward to other ideas from you that can be made so enjoyable.
Thank you again,
Yours as always, Ian ..xx

You are so kind!

You are so kind!
I am looking forward to continuing interaction with poets here.

Interpretation

Of my sunku was right on

Thank you for confirming my

Thank you for confirming my words. It is important to know if we are on the same page.
Thanks for being a significant part of the workshop.

IRiz

Sunku was like opening a new window. For me participating in Sunku workshop was like "back to school" feeling. Since English is not my mother tongue adaptation to this new form is fun as well as a new challenge. I hope this workshop has also been useful to you in your endeavor to make Sunku a widely acceptable form of poetry. My very best wishes for you to succeed every step of the way.

Regards and thanks..
.....................

Thank you very much for your

Thank you very much for your support and help.
Your poems are awesome and your comments were helpful.
I am preparing an essay about Sunku and will be placing the drafts here in blog posts. I am looking forward to your input.

Will certainly look forward

Will certainly look forward to the draft of your essay and provide my inputs if deemed to be necessary. I am sure you will do a fine job.

regards....

Double post through over sight

deleted

Onya, my dear, a splendid workshop indeed,

thank you so much for your efforts, your commitment and your new form.

I'd like to remind everyone that even when a workshop is concluded you can still post to it and critique. I've seen valuable contributions and feedback to workshop years after they ended.

(ps 'onya' = Aussie for 'good on you')

Hi Jess

Are you saying we should be posting more poems to this workshop theme as if it has not been concluded?

Regards...

I'm saying

you can if you want to.

Description: Short form appeals to a reader's imagination and goes across cultural barriers.

It disciplines the poet and requires the most precise choice of words in the same time leaving a good degree of pleasant ambiguity.

How to use a poetic toolbox – personification, extended metaphor, allusions, alliteration, repetition, rhyme, meter – in short form? Without a doubt it is a difficult question, however, it is well recognized that structure and patterns make a short poem esthetically pleasing.

I offer to your attention Sunku as a way to structure a short poem. In Sunku there are three stanzas, each consists of three lines with 2-3-4 syllabi per line. The level of connection between stanzas is up to a poet to decide.
Follow my blog entries for further development of the concept!
Leader: IRiz and Weirdelf
Moderator(s):

Objectives: to try the new form and see how it delivers your ideas and feelings. To see how other poetic tools complement the form.

Level of expertise: Open to all

Subject matter: testing Sunku a new structured short form