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As you know sound is vibration that may have somewhat specific correspondences to states of altered consciousness
The om chant is a classical example of course. Alister Crowley's OTO and the Golden Dawn use sonorous callings used for ritual work ...The callings ( Invocations) to the angels to raise and protect The calling of demons to facilitate comfort in the physical life like gargoyles Feng shui castles Poetry is a ritual of raising power too when spoken with the fullness of intention Thats why the sonic elements of poetry are so important; the language of spirit through the ethers

the most comprehensive study of tribal poetry i know is by Jerome Rothenberg, "Techinicians of the Sacred" I was lucky to have a lecture course with him in the 60's. Poetry from Aborigines, Eskimo, Pigmy, etc. Poetry from the gut in praise of primal needs and paganism. The recordings of the poems are available and the themes are universal. That course influenced me in ways i can no longer count.
I am looking forward to doing your meditation and writing. No mushrooms this time.

I think it was there long before the
ability to speak or punctuate the first
grunted offerings ... it is after-all, the
sounds, sights and emotion that move
us, shared.

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This sounds interesting

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Did some great spoken word. He used a lot of native american and shamanic inspiration. My massage therapist uses one type that I really like.

Did some great spoken word. He used a lot of native american and shamanic inspiration. My massage therapist uses one type that I really like.

While listening to shamanic music...are we trying to achieve this with this poem? I have astral projected..had visions...heard voices...received clear messages....provoked all kinds of strong emotions from euphoria to rage to extreme sadness. Am I on the right path

interesting topic...i meditate and write in nature..this sounds interesting...

When does it take place?

That was absolutely amazing. I am working on composing my experiences. And absolutely subconscious provoking piece of music...incredible

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i sat outside in nature today and listen...i got no visuals....i usually don't...i've learned to meditate and visual without a a guide after meditating with guide that help you do it yourself

After listening I could see myself in a swing set as a child enjoying myself. After a couple minutes I was startled by fear then a sense of calmness. Great concept great shop jess

enjoyed the 15 minute drumming by Michael Harner, there is also a 30 minute drumming solo from him on YouTube as well :)

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I'd like to be included. This is unlike anything I've ever done. Drumbeat was fascinating. My rough draft is really weird. But it was fun.

I am interested in the challenge

I am not seeing the workshop in the drop-down. Is it a matter of permissions and I just need to be patient?

Lots to learn from ourselves and a creative workshop like this. I've got some wireless headphones I'm charging up rigjht now and will use on my journey into the abyss

I'm in if there is still room.

can I still enter?

And into this shamanic cave? I'll have a go too. I think we need more of this.

Cheers.

Chris.

I listened for a while before starting to write, so I saw an eyelid movie before I ever started! Maybe that is why it had the effect that it did I have Native American heritage, so I naturally gravitated to that sort of scene. I am most anxious to start the next phase and will try to write more spontaneously this time. I do think it came out well, but not as I hoped. ~ Gee.
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My session was interrupted yesterday so I will start again this evening

ive been practicing guided self meditation since 2017 to manage MS so once i got this..it was right up my ally tapping into ability to write whats on my eyelid my inner voice...

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Robin Skelton is a name that just came to mind.

Having received, by now, enough messages to kill a horse, I wanted to just make a public statement here on what goes on/went on/with Jess and the people who message me about him.

While one never has to choose to be on a website or to do this or that, I am particularly happy that I chose to be on Neopoet, despite the petty chain mail going around now. Jess has moods like all of us do, but of course I won't sponsor any abusive comments towards anyone of any gender. That's my "stance" on it. If this site is "male dominated" as I've also heard from women here, let's go ahead and bring more women in. I will help with this myself. But this sneakiness, this pettiness...

This is a microcosm of a bigger picture. While there's infighting here because of a problem--and infighting amongst such intelligent people--angling for power with the varied forms of identity politics
does nothing but weaken "tolerant, liberal" people. The really intolerant and inauthentic people (maybe the people who voted for Donald Trump) take this as a game to watch from afar and occasionally take advantage (pretending to agree, pretending to be "part of the dialogue") and the rest of the nonsense.

It does not matter what rings you wear in your nose, or how stylish and well adapted to the times your politics are; that is a matter of adaptation to everyday life which requires no sacrifice; the people who would see no use in poetry are winning (and have been) and in very big numbers because of this incestuous, disgusting infighting.

There are no safe spaces. Boundaries are routinely violated just because of the nature of daily life, though of course these are noble aspirations. The underlying spirit of poetry is a spirit of *revolt*, not acquiescence to the way things are, even with the growth of MFA programs and assorted fetid vegetation. (That's a topic on its own: the last thing I wanted to do when I left school was to go back to school to be sold fucking textbooks on how to write according to *this* expert on blackness, whiteness, whatever; that's them getting into your head, not you thinking your own thoughts and developing naturally.)

It would seem, though, that we love our power schemes and little beautifully melodramatic arguments which we *have* to win, incidentally --even on a relatively modest, and tranquil website like Neopoet--more than we like the prospect of victory on a larger scale. And this is exactly the kind of behavior which elects Donald Trump and his abominable oligarchical next cousins again and again; unguarded, naive liberalism. Fascism, the underlying Geist of this present age, is *actually* the polar opposite of poetry; if for some perverse reason identity politique liberals WANT to experience it, it won't be enjoyable or chic when you get there.

Is there any material spirit of insurrection even left, now that we've become so comfortable and homogenized? Anything that transcends the ridiculously overinflated ivy towers so full of masturbatory overanalysis of the slightest infirmity or discomfort. If not, poets like Leonora Carrington, Rimbaud, Lecomte, Emily Dickinson all lived in vain.

I'd like to thank everyone for reading my rant; though I think it has more of a spirit than most rants, though not entirely devoid, maybe, of pathos

Neopoet is like Cape Cod to me.

"We will end roasted by our manmade suns." David Gascoyne. ???

with the messages and that's my response to the whole thing and I find it necessary to put it up where people are going to read it. Call it a favor.

primal poetic statement.

Unless I'm tagged in a message like the one that invited me here..when it's going downing in here its going down...definitely wrong place to have this discussion... what about a discussion type feature on the main page similar to a board room to discuss major issue like this...that's overseen by the AEC to get a head of major throw down vicious fights.. I been here since January 2008 and I seen doozies..been in a couple and we always get through it...

This sort of thing is always about someone's assertion of will over another Thinking one has the right to judge another's sensibilities ethics morals spirituality etc and wantonly force that opinion! It is not an expression of sensitivity but balls out frustration and subsequent aggression. Aggression breeds aggression loops or cowering victims. It is not about illumination. In spite of good intentions its impulse is tyranny and fear. It is not about facilitation; actually quite the opposite! The way to conduct workshops in my opinion is to utilize the Socratic method.
I spent years in the cooperate sales culture and learned quite early if you want to fail socially just assert to others how it is. What was axiomatic in that environment was that if you asked the right questions the person you where encountering would sell themselves through the act of their own deduction I think the same is true here and everywhere.

In the context of poetry I will take advice quite readily if it strikes a cord and I have respect for the writer who gives it May be we should consider the meaning of the axiom ….. TO LISTEN IS TO OBEY...and if the feeling of obedience is in the spirit of ones benefit; it works; if not, it makes enemies

So we can constructively critique each other. This is a workshop environment. We can disagree with each other too but always with respect and companionability or all digresses. No one tells anyone anything unless there is reciprocity

Having said that we all struggle with anger and frustration Sometimes it is what is needed to clear the air. The healing may come in apologies and forgiveness; so we can move on.

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I don't find the idea of a shamanic trance offensive in the least. If anything I applaud it!
We've all said our peace now. We are brothers and friends even if we rough house Jess

When you say they form images are you referring to images via the imagination or something else

I ask because I have 2 distinct experiences One is simply the images of imagination; the other is actual forms beings human and non humanin 3 dimensions

By far the best work shop

What is the likelihood we can keep this going? Maybe put up a new piece to listen to here and there to explore? Different sounds provoke different things in the subconscious. I am really enjoying this whole experience.

Exceeding all expectations??? Hmmmmmmmmm

I love it

Synopsis:

Excellent concept and execution. Participants were engaged throughout. Actual, useful critique of effort. Good use of multiple stages.

Suggested Modifications:

Concrete timelines for each stage to give some participants (me) a deadline against to work.

Definitive start and end time for each phase to better coordinate with additional workshops.

Personal participation:

This was a tough one for me. It was most assuredly outside my comfort zone. The critique of my effort was accurate and appreciated. Ultimately, I participated in only the initial phase, letting other obligations and pressures take precedence.

Conclusion:

Worth putting in the workshop toolkit to be rerun periodically.